{"product_id":"faikin-danro-daikin-altherma-local-control-module","title":"Faikin Danro — Daikin Altherma Local Control Module","description":"\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eLocal MQTT control for Daikin Altherma 2 and Altherma 3.\u003c\/strong\u003e No cloud, no Daikin account, no subscription. Works with Home Assistant and anything else that speaks MQTT.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cdiv style=\"border: 1px solid #b8c4d0; background: #f2f6fa; padding: 14px 16px; margin: 18px 0; border-radius: 6px;\"\u003e\n\u003cp style=\"margin: 0;\"\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eThis is an MQTT module, like the Faikin Faikout.\u003c\/strong\u003e It publishes everything over MQTT and integrates with Home Assistant automatically. From there it reaches Apple Home, Google Home, Alexa and the rest. There is no direct Matter pairing on the device itself, so unlike the Faikin Ninja you cannot scan a code straight into Apple Home.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003c\/div\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eYour Altherma already knows its flow temperature, its return temperature, how much energy it has used and how much heat it has produced. It just will not tell you without a cloud account.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eThe Faikin Danro wires into the P1\/P2 user interface terminals inside your indoor unit and puts the whole system into Home Assistant over MQTT. Everything stays on your own network. There is no Daikin account, no ONECTA app, no cloud relay, and nothing stops working if Daikin changes its mind about an API.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eYour existing wall controller keeps working exactly as it does now. The Danro sits on the same two-wire bus alongside it.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003ch3\u003eWhat you get in Home Assistant\u003c\/h3\u003e\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eControl\u003c\/strong\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cul\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eLeaving water temperature setpoint, with heating mode\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDomestic hot water setpoint\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eWater and air temperatures\u003c\/strong\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cul\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eLeaving water temperature (LWT)\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eReturn water temperature (RWT)\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eMixed water temperature (MWT)\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDomestic hot water tank temperature\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eRoom temperature\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eOutside temperature\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eEnergy, split out properly\u003c\/strong\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cul\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eEnergy consumed by the compressor, the backup heater and in total\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eEnergy produced for heating, for cooling, for domestic hot water and in total\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWhich means you can calculate your real COP in Home Assistant, per mode, without a separate energy meter\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eSystem state\u003c\/strong\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cul\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eHeat pump mode, heating mode and main zone status\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDomestic hot water active, and tank power\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDefrost active\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eWater flow rate in litres per minute\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003ePump running hours\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eError flag\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eHybrid systems\u003c\/strong\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cul\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eGas boiler active, gas mode, and boiler running hours split between heating and hot water\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\u003ch3\u003eIt works with what you already use\u003c\/h3\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eMQTT is the point. It is the most widely supported protocol in home automation, and it means the Danro is not locked to any one platform.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cul\u003e\n\u003cli\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eHome Assistant\u003c\/strong\u003e picks it up automatically over MQTT discovery. No YAML, no template sensors. Everything above appears as proper entities with the right device classes and units.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eThe Home Assistant Companion app\u003c\/strong\u003e gives you full control on iOS and Android, with widgets, notifications and location triggers. For most people this is a better daily experience than the vendor app it replaces.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eApple Home\u003c\/strong\u003e works through the HomeKit Bridge built into Home Assistant. That runs entirely on your own network, no cloud and no subscription.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eGoogle Home and Alexa\u003c\/strong\u003e both have well-trodden paths out of Home Assistant, either through Home Assistant Cloud or your own setup.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eAnything else that speaks MQTT\u003c\/strong\u003e can consume it directly, including openHAB, Node-RED, ioBroker, Domoticz and Homebridge. You are not obliged to use Home Assistant at all, though it is the path we support and the one that needs no configuration.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eThis is exactly the arrangement that makes the Faikin Faikout so flexible, applied to your heat pump.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003ch3\u003eThe rest of the house\u003c\/h3\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eThe Danro is for your Altherma and nothing else. It does not fit a split or a ducted system, and nothing else we make fits an Altherma. These are not alternatives to each other, they are different appliances.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eMost people with an Altherma also have air conditioning somewhere in the house, and that is worth knowing about before you order:\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cul\u003e\n\u003cli\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eDucted, Sky Air and VRV\u003c\/strong\u003e are the \u003ca style=\"text-decoration: underline;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.faikin.au\/products\/faikin-p1p2-daikin-local-control-module-vrv-sky-air-ducted\"\u003eFaikin Ninja\u003c\/a\u003e. That one does have Matter, so if you want to scan a code straight into Apple Home without going through Home Assistant, the Ninja does it.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eWall-mounted splits\u003c\/strong\u003e are the Faikin Faikout.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eAll of it speaks MQTT and all of it lands on the same dashboard, so the heat pump, the ducted system and the bedroom splits end up in one place.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003ch3\u003eWhy not the alternatives\u003c\/h3\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eAirzone's Aidoo needs an Airzone cloud account and the Airzone app. ESPAltherma is a do-it-yourself build onto the main system PCB rather than the thermostat bus, and it reads far more than it controls. The Danro is a commercial product that does local control, arrives pre-flashed and is supported by us.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003ch3\u003eCompatibility\u003c\/h3\u003e\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eConfirmed working\u003c\/strong\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cul\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDaikin Altherma 3\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eDaikin Altherma 2\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eNot this product\u003c\/strong\u003e\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cul\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eAltherma HT (high temperature). The HT runs different firmware with a much smaller data set and is effectively read-only. We do not sell it as a control product. Contact us if you want to discuss it.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eAny Altherma that does not have P1 and P2 terminals on the X5M strip.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eHow to check in thirty seconds.\u003c\/strong\u003e Open the indoor unit and find the terminal strip marked \u003cstrong\u003eX5M\u003c\/strong\u003e. Look for terminals \u003cstrong\u003e11 and 12\u003c\/strong\u003e, labelled \u003cstrong\u003eP1P2 USER INTERFACE\u003c\/strong\u003e. If those are there, the Danro fits.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003eNote that this is not the same place as on a Daikin split or ducted system, where P1\/P2 is on the REMOTE CNTRL block next to F1\/F2 and T1\/T2. On an Altherma it is lower down the X5M strip.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003ch3\u003eInstallation\u003c\/h3\u003e\n\u003col\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eIsolate power to the indoor unit, both indoor and outdoor.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eFind terminals 11 and 12 on the X5M strip, marked P1P2 USER INTERFACE.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eConnect the two module wires. The connection is non-polar, so either wire can go to either terminal. Wire is 24 to 12 AWG, 0.6 to 2.4 mm.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eRestore power. There is no separate power supply to run.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003eJoin it to your Wi-Fi and point it at your MQTT broker.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ol\u003e\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eOnly two control devices are allowed on the P1\/P2 bus, one Main and one Sub.\u003c\/strong\u003e Your wall controller is the Main and stays exactly as it is. The Danro joins as the Sub. If you already have a second device on the bus, such as an infrared receiver or a second controller, it has to come off first. Three devices on the bus causes phantom power-ons.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eThis is work inside a live appliance.\u003c\/strong\u003e If you are not comfortable opening the indoor unit and working on a terminal strip, get your installer to do this part. It takes them five minutes.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003ch3\u003eWhat this does not do\u003c\/h3\u003e\n\u003cul\u003e\n\u003cli\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eNo direct Matter pairing.\u003c\/strong\u003e An Altherma exposes roughly sixty entities and that does not map onto a Matter thermostat, so there is no code to scan straight into Apple Home the way there is on the Faikin Ninja. You reach Apple Home, Google Home and Alexa through Home Assistant instead, which is how the Faikin Faikout has always worked.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eNo vendor app of our own, by design.\u003c\/strong\u003e The built-in web interface is for setup and diagnostics. Day to day you use the Home Assistant Companion app or whatever dashboard you already have, which is a better app than we would ever write.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eNo field settings.\u003c\/strong\u003e Installer-level configuration stays on the wall controller.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eNot a replacement wall controller.\u003c\/strong\u003e It runs alongside yours, not instead of it.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003cli\u003e\n\u003cstrong\u003eEntities you do not have will not appear, or will read as unavailable.\u003c\/strong\u003e A system with no domestic hot water tank will not report tank temperature.\u003c\/li\u003e\n\u003c\/ul\u003e\n\u003ch3\u003eFAQ\u003c\/h3\u003e\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDo I need Home Assistant?\u003c\/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003eIt is what we recommend and support, and it needs no configuration because the module is picked up automatically over MQTT discovery. But this is a plain MQTT device, so openHAB, Node-RED, ioBroker, Domoticz and Homebridge can all read it directly if that is your setup.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eIs there an app?\u003c\/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003eThe Home Assistant Companion app, on iOS and Android, with widgets, notifications and location triggers. We do not ship an app of our own and we are not going to, because the Companion app is better than anything we would build and it puts your heat pump on the same dashboard as everything else in the house.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDoes it work with Apple Home?\u003c\/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003eYes, through the HomeKit Bridge built into Home Assistant. That runs locally on your own network, with no cloud and no subscription. What it does not have is the scan-a-code Matter pairing on the Faikin Ninja, because sixty-odd heat pump entities do not fit a Matter thermostat.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eGoogle Home, Alexa, SmartThings?\u003c\/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003eAll reachable out of Home Assistant. Google Home and Alexa are the most direct, either through Home Assistant Cloud or your own setup.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eWill it fight with my wall controller?\u003c\/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003eNo. The module joins the bus as the Sub device. Your wall controller remains the Main and keeps full function. The one catch is that the bus only allows two devices in total, so if you already have an infrared receiver or a second controller fitted, that has to be removed first.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eCan I still use the Daikin app?\u003c\/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003eIf you have a Daikin LAN adapter fitted, yes, both can coexist. The Danro does not need it and does not talk to it.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eDoes it need internet?\u003c\/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003eOnly to fetch firmware updates. Control is entirely local. Pull the internet and it keeps working.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eCan I flash it myself?\u003c\/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003eNo. It ships pre-flashed and configured for Altherma. Do not attempt to reflash it.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eI want the Matter pairing. Can I have the Ninja instead?\u003c\/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003eNot on an Altherma. The Ninja is for ducted, Sky Air and VRV air conditioning, and it will not control a heat pump. If you have both, buy both. The Ninja handles the aircon with Matter, the Danro handles the heat pump through Home Assistant, and they meet on the same dashboard.\u003c\/p\u003e\n\u003cp\u003e\u003cstrong\u003eWhich Altherma do I have?\u003c\/strong\u003e\u003cbr\u003eThe model number is on the data plate on the indoor unit. Send us a photo of the plate and of the X5M terminal strip and we will tell you.\u003c\/p\u003e","brand":"Faikin Australia","offers":[{"title":"Default Title","offer_id":52229674926370,"sku":"DAN-DKN-ALT","price":199.0,"currency_code":"AUD","in_stock":true}],"url":"https:\/\/www.faikin.au\/th\/products\/faikin-danro-daikin-altherma-local-control-module","provider":"Faikin Australia","version":"1.0","type":"link"}